Common sense reading group - SOAR

Greg Detre

Thursday, November 14, 2002

 

 

why haven�t people heard of it outside its field?

because it doesn�t work

it doesn�t give you much more power than a programming language

what are the computational tools that people use in psychology???

it�s too high-level

is it even falsifiable???

Winograd � the program is the theory

 

push�s derivations from soar (he feels he�s taken the best ideas)

impasse �/span> mental critics

2 phases � brainstorming + selecting

 

they went the opposite way from Marvin

went for a very simple compact way of building all the more complex/diverse approaches

it gets hairy trying to do everything with one paradigm

e.g. difficulty of doing sequential stuff with the rule-based paradigm

Push: if you can write something in Soar, you�re probably onto what the brain�s doing � it�s so highly granular and super-parallel � it�s kind of like programming with NNs

 

problems???

too much abstraction in the perception interface

Push: you can�t have multiple/specialised representations of spatial things, for instance

you can�t even have maps

you�d have to specify rules about traversal

Hugo: but that�s misusing the abstraction

is the chunking learning mechanism powerful enough???

it summarises the result of solving an impasse

Hugo: it doesn�t have an abstraction mechanism

Barbara: you don�t get the association with what doesn�t work, you lose all the learning about what failed

it doesn�t learn anything strategic about problem-solving

it can�t generate its own goals

maybe if you give it just the goal of surviving, then it can generate all the other subgoals it needs to resolve the impasses

 

its own mind is closed to itself

it has no direct representations, it�s all procedural

they have quite a behaviourist approach, I guess???

 

hugo: what does it boil down to? a belief network, adaptation + generalisation tools, k-lines network

what is/how is it like a k-line network???

summarising the net effect of all �

Push thinks they�re more flexible

 

they were based on psychology experiments � trying to get Soar�s timing to mirror human timing

 

why were they interested in problems like:

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you aren�t going to see most of the interesting ideas of cognition at the level of neurons

you need to abstract up a few levels

refce: Psychology @ Harvard � Stickold (sleeping, dreaming)

 

main competitors:

ACT-R � John Anderson

it has all these parameters so that you can tune so that it matches human performance

Newell died, so interest in Soar has waned